Detailed Transcript with Tone & Conflicts
Time stamped to accompany original audio recording
0:40 – 4:10 | Agenda Adjustments
The chair moved to adjust the agenda:
• Add lien notices under new business.
• Move “tall grass complaint” to executive session because it involves covenants.
• Include a garden committee item under new business.
There was some hesitation: “Should the grass complaint really be behind closed doors?” one asked. Another insisted covenants required privacy.
Conflict: Small but pointed disagreement over transparency vs. confidentiality.
Motion: Amended agenda approved.
4:10 – 9:10 | Minutes & Treasurer’s Motion
• July and August minutes approved without objection.
• Treasurer’s report: Motion to move matured CDs into Fidelity laddered investments.
◦ Question raised: “Does Fidelity charge for advising?”
◦ Answer: “No.”
• Motion passed unanimously.
Tone: Procedural, smooth.
9:10 – 22:10 | Building & Grounds & Pool Repairs
The Building & Grounds lead detailed projects:
• Pool deck repairs underway, pre-treated and stained.
• Contractors reluctant to take on future pool plastering jobs.
• Mention of switching to a newer, two-part epoxy-like coating.
Conflict arose over mowing:
• One member complained the fields looked neglected: “It just doesn’t seem to have worked out very well this summer.”
• Grounds lead defended GLF: “Their tractor was down, so they cut 25 acres with zero-turns. That was a diligent effort.”
Tone: Defensive from grounds lead, critical from members.
22:10 – 36:10 | Grounds Motions – Lights and Kayaks
Solar Lights by Pond
• Bob Livingston proposed five solar accent lights: “I thought they would look nice on the pond.”
• Pushback: “There’s no precedent. This will cause more complaints.”
• Another member tied it to a larger issue, citing unauthorized changes: zinnias planted, asphalt chunks for edging, and “eggs with Bible verses and campaign slogans left around the property.”
• Tension grew as the conversation veered from lights to accusations of improper decorations.
Vote: Motion failed after sharp division.
Tone: Heated, accusatory.
Unclaimed Kayaks
• Two abandoned kayaks sparked debate: sell, donate, or auction?
• Betty Waldrop suggested donating to a school or fire station. Others agreed.
• Amended motion: donate kayaks, with option for community buyer via fire station.
• Passed unanimously.
Tone: Collaborative, practical.
36:10 – 48:10 | Garden Committee Renaming Debate
Proposal: rename “Garden Committee” → “Landscaping Committee.”
• Proponents: “Garden sounds like vegetables and flowers. Landscaping better reflects the work.”
• Opponents: “This committee hasn’t presented a plan in a year. Why rename something that hasn’t delivered?”
• Heated exchange: one member accused Carolyn Schott of pushing change for appearances. Carolyn replied defensively, insisting the work was ongoing but long-term.
• Another supporter interjected: “I asked her to raise this. Don’t pile on her.”
Resolution: Postpone until a formal charter is produced.
Conflict: Strong. Opponents skeptical of purpose and funding; supporters frustrated by lack of recognition.
Tone: Defensive, tense, edging on hostile.
48:10 – 56:10 | Water & Sewer Updates
• Chlorine injector failing; replacement likely needed but not dangerous.
• Annual septic maintenance completed by Virginia Septic, praised for thoroughness.
• PFAS testing required in 2026, expected cost $1,200.
Tone: Neutral, technical. Mild concern about future costs.
56:10 – 68:10 | Short-Term Rental Restriction
• Proposal to restrict to six months minimum.
• 73 signatures collected, but no quorum.
• Motion: send one last solicitation with October 31 deadline, adding “No” checkbox.
Conflict: A member insisted “no response means no,” but others argued silence shouldn’t count.
Motion passed.
Tone: Procedural, mildly contentious.
68:10 – 78:10 | Middlesex Water Authority
• Presentation of costs and financing for possible public water connection.
• Board emphasized it was only information at this stage.
• Motion: include materials in annual packet.
Conflict: One member argued reserves weren’t fully considered. Treasurer clarified.
Tone: Neutral but cautious, wary of cost escalation.
78:10 – 87:10 | Reserve Study & Budget
• Debate on approving vs. acknowledging the study.
• Decision: approve executive summary, share in owner packet.
• 2026 budget approved with 10% dues increase.
Conflict: Member conditioned approval on reviewing long-standing vendor contracts.
Tone: Serious but professional.
87:10 – 94:10 | Election Integrity & Website Dispute
Complaint: Unofficial sites CovesatWiltonCreek.com and Paradise in Hartfield Va Facebook group not managed by the HOA and use community’s name, confusing owners with conflict of interest in board election.
• Legal opinion: Board cannot control domains without trademarking.
• Motion: HOA will publicly disclaim affiliation. Passed.
Conflict: Heated dispute when an incumbent board member was accused of conflict of interest in the discussion. Another member insisted she step aside.
Tone: Defensive, personal, contentious.
94:10 – 100:10 | Eggshell Decorations
Complaint about decorated eggshells scattered in common areas.
• One member: “They’re trash. Asphalt chunks and twigs have also been used as edging.”
• Carolyn admitted she had already been removing them quietly.
• Board: “We don’t expect you to do it—this is a covenant violation.”
• Motion: declare eggshells a violation, ask violator to cease, GLF to clean up. Passed 5–1.
Tone: Petty but oddly serious; frustration about recurring unauthorized decorations.
100:10 – 103:10 | Campaign Signs & Materials
• No explicit rules against campaign signs, flyers, or door-to-door.
• Several members disliked the idea but admitted it cannot be prohibited.
Tone: Reluctant acceptance.
103:10 – 109:10 | Late Fee Notices
Complaint: Letters felt threatening, especially lien warnings after only 10 days.
• One member: “This sounds like a collection agency. It’s too harsh.”
• Others: “It’s legal transparency. Judges will side against us if we soften it.”
• Motion: keep current language. Passed.
Conflict: Philosophical split over tone vs. legal duty.
Tone: Divided but resolved firmly.
109:10 – 112:10 | Owner’s Forum
A resident raised election fairness concerns from 2022:
• Claimed one candidate used CBM’s official email list to promote herself.
• Other candidates were not given the same opportunity.
• Resident asked: “If this happens again, what will the board do about it?”
The chair reminded that the forum was for listening, not debate, but the concern was noted.
Tone: Distrustful, skeptical of board fairness.
Key Conflicts Recap
• Solar lights & unauthorized decorations: Symbolic clash over aesthetics and covenant enforcement.
• Garden vs. Landscaping committee: Power struggle over recognition and control.
• Election websites & candidate fairness: Deep suspicion, bordering on personal attacks.
• Late fee notices: Tone vs. legal protection split the board.
DockLine Discussions › September Bi-Monthly Board Meeting Discussion
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Hi Neighbors, starting this topic for discussion of the board meeting that took place September 17, 2025. AI generated highlights and original audio clip are available on the Board Meeting Recaps post. This forum will also be embedded on the post.
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Megan Doody
Hi Everyone!
I think first and foremost there needs to be a SECURE way to collect votes. Thoughts?
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Jason Foster
Hey Megan, I think we already pay Chesapeake Bay Management for electronic voting but have never used it. By law and our covenants we could adopt a secure system at any time. I’ll see if I can dig out their contract from the CBM drive and add it to the database.
From Wilton:
Virginia state law expressly permits the use of electronic voting for homeowners associations, including elections and rule approvals, with specific safeguards for secret ballots. According to Virginia Code § 55.1-1832, unless the declaration prohibits it, votes, consents, or approvals required under the declaration, bylaws, or state law may be obtained electronically. The law mandates that a record of the electronic vote be created and maintained similarly to a traditional paper record.
If a vote is required by secret ballot, the electronic voting method must protect the identity of the voter. If it cannot guarantee voter anonymity, then an alternative voting method must be used.
Furthermore, the association’s board of directors must adopt guidelines governing electronic meetings and electronic voting to ensure authorized participation, transparency, and security. Those who cannot or prefer not to use electronic means must be provided with a reasonable alternative at the association’s expense.
These provisions align with The Coves at Wilton Creek’s governance practices and ensure compliance with Virginia statutory requirements.
For more details, you may review Virginia Code § 55.1-1832 here: https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title55.1/chapter18/section55.1-1832/ and The Coves’ governing documents at https://www.covesdockline.com/covenants-restrictions/ and https://www.covesdockline.com/bylaws/.
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Megan Doody
It is very concerning to me that the information being brought forth to our community by our board of directors is not transparent. Further, it seems that several feel they can lie on behalf of our community for their own interest. We need a board that will be transparent to us.
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Jason Foster
This is a huge issue and a major reason I no longer trust the process under this Board.
At the July 2025 meeting, the Gardening Committee planned to present a resident survey that had been previewed to the Board for input. Instead of offering feedback, the President and Vice President rewrote the survey on their own, altering both its content and intent. When the committee’s representative refused to present a version they had not created, the Board allowed the official minutes to record that the member “declined to present” the survey — without explaining why.
That revision erased the truth: the committee didn’t back out; they refused to present something misrepresented as their work.
Then, at the September meeting, the director supporting this committee was subjected to open hostility — talked over, mocked, and scolded — simply for suggesting the committee be renamed to better reflect its role. The behavior of certain directors during that exchange was unprofessional and discouraging to anyone who wants to participate constructively in this community.
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Mark Deutsch
This is an excellent step toward greater transparency for our association, which I believe is of paramount importance for any HOA. I appreciate your comments Megan (and Jason) and agree that we should pursue secure electronic voting as an option. The easier we make the process for our fellow residents to participate, the better. Thanks.
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Carolyn Schott
Thank you to all the comments posted on this discussion. I fully support having secure electronic voting and I will bring this up at one of the first couple of meetings in the next board year unless Mark or Jason want to do so. I am looking forward to working with both of them on the board and bringing about changes toward a community without controversy and one that becomes fully educated in the spirit and words of the documents. I am looking forward to working with board members who support following the documents.
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Megan Doody
I am concerned regarding the email that was sent out to the community in what seems like a rebuttal toward Stan Murphys acquired information through FOIA. The information that was recorded during the association meeting is entirely different than that of what was being communicated to the county by our association president. Further, I found the email sent to be very unprofessional in stating they are “setting the record straight.” In addition, I would also like to state that a board members name was left off of the email that was sent to the community. Am I correct in stating that this was likely done intentionally? Disgraceful. I was also advised recently that the president changes the minutes after the meetings and withholds the association secretary from doing her job.
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Carolyn Schott
Megan, You are correct in thinking my name was left off the letter written by Katy, intentionally. But that is okay because I would not have condoned that letter. And, yes, every set of meeting minutes that I have submitted for review to the board before the meeting during which they were to be approved were heavily re-written during the last 2 years by the president because she thought her version was better. You are also correct regarding my job. The documents state that the secretary should keep an accurate record of all members and their contact info. I have been denied access to that information and performing that duty by Katy and CBM. The documents also state that the secretary is responsible for process of the annual meeting, security of proxies and the election process as a whole. I did this when I was secretary about 10 years ago. Katy also refused to allow me the right to performing this duty. CBM did everything. Hopefully, we will have electronic voting by next year’s meeting.
Also of note, I had an emergency that took me home yesterday during the breakdown process after the meeting and returned within 10 minutes to find that “We held a short meeting. I am president, Joey is Vice-President, Joyce is treasurer, Lynn is secretary.” I was not told when or where this meeting would take place even though I am still on the board.
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James Knupp
May I ask a question? Having been involved in the board election processes a few times, I recall the vote by the board to determine the officers for the coming year normally happens closely after the vote as to who is on the board. Members and Previous members of the board are aware of this normality. It would be unusual for a board member to miss this event, especially if there was no notice to the others that there should be a delay.
I understand there was concern that Carolyn was not present when the votes occurred this year. but in the end it made her presence made no difference. The votes were unanimous for those elected.
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